Is This Really It?

Posted on: Thu May 23, 2013

I remember when Yahoo first purchased Flickr and there was some discontent amongst regular users of the service, the feeling was that over time Yahoo would kill Flickr. Well it’s been very slow, but it’s happening alright.

The latest “improvements” are a big kick in the teeth, design wise it’s just horrible. But it’s the business model that is kicking me while I’m on the floor. Now they are offering 1TB of storage for free users (with advertising), you can pay to double that storage for a stupid amount of $500 a year – What The Duck!? Also an account that does nothing but hide adverts for $50. Please read this great article by Derek Powazek [Full Disclosure: Derek Powazek has been a Flickr member since before it was called Flickr, is a friend of the founders, and the husband of Heather Champ, who was Flickr’s Director of Community from 2005-2010.]

Article here on TechHive.

I think this could be the final nail in the coffin for Flickr. In my opinion Flickr needed improving but not in the way Yahoo have gone with it.

This also leads me in to some concerns about social media and sharing photography in general. A lot of these sites have dubious terms and conditions when it comes to copyright and even myself I am to date unsure which ones are worse than others and whether to recommend to my photography students to post or not to post, it really shouldn’t be that difficult. I don’t think it’s much to ask to NOT strip out the metadata that contains details about the copyright and ownership of a photograph. How about a service that you pay for and is straight down the line and honest!??

I’m seriously considering leaving Flickr, but I have been involved in a photographic community of some sort for over 10 years. In fact it was Photoblogging that really inspired me to get in to photography in the first place.

Photoblogging was good, you had your own site and you blogged images. A journal or diary of photographs really seem to strike a chord with a lot of people and before you knew it there was this whole community, people visiting each others blogs to leave comments or help each other improve.

I was lucky enough to attend the European Photoblogger meet up in London back in September 2005. I met some really great people some of whom I am still in touch with now and some whom I count as very good friends. What could be more wonderful than that?

But after a while Flickr arrived and everyone slowly moved over there and for sometime it was really good. I felt it did loose some of the personal touch that the Photoblogs community had, but it was still good.

So what now? Is it time to go back to Photoblogging?
Well Brandon Stone has some ideas up his sleeve for Photoblogs.org – a website set up to act as a directory of photoblogs and people could check out other photographers etc.

So I wanted to put some ideas down in writing and I’d like to encourage others to comment below with their ideas.

  • Firstly you need a photoblog
    I’m not good with coding, I know design and what looks good but setting something up can be a little tricky. So I’d like to see a resource section on Photoblogs.org that will help people set something up. Maybe the sharing of templates for people to create their own photoblogs.
  • A directory of Photoblogs
    This should still be at the heart of it. A listing of any photoblog submitted and keep the functionality that allowed people to tag, keyword or describe blogs, so people knew what to expect when visiting. I’ll always remember someone commenting on my listing “Drab British weather” – that always made me laugh and is so true.
  • Interviews & Features
    I’d like to see a magazine/blog format of interviews and features.
  • Featured images & Photographers
    It would be great if photos and photographers could get featured on the Photoblogs site. I don’t know whether it is possible but I’m thinking of a Facebook type button on all photoblogs for liking an image or liking a blog. This then feeds back to Photoblogs.org where images and blogs are featured.
  • Community community community!
    This is where Flickr really came in to it’s own, the ability to create groups for sharing photos of a certain nature but not just photos, the ability to create discussions. I would so love to see something like this on Photoblogs.org – I could set up a group, choose whether to make that group private or public, invite people by email etc. Allow people to post images, engage in conversation etc. These groups serve lots of purposes, from a group for people to post sunsets or still life images, to one dedicated to hardcore street photography or meet ups around the world. The ability to create discussions, for people to join in, for people to ‘like’ comments and get notifications when people reply to a discussion.

I think we/photographers need to take back a slice of the internet and create our own community. Brandon Stone in my opinion is the man to make this happen, perhaps with some help of Lorissa and Gordon??

 

 

  • Brandon Stone

    Definitely food for thought!

  • Brandon Stone

    I’m ready to start building something that’s worthwhile and good. I think we can take your initial thoughts and run with them.

  • Jonathan Allen

    it would need to replace the discussion forum activity. That’s what Flickr has that nowhere else has right now. And it would need to be a place to see what your contacts have been up to photographically. But I’m all for something new and interesting.

  • Fran Simó

    As I mention in Twitter. The directory and our “photoblogging” sections are easy to start. http://barcelonaphotobloggers.org/fotoblogueando/

    If you pay attention most flickr groups are death.

    Community is something really difficult to maintain. All communities need people working to keep it a live. And working a lot. This people must be pationate by the community subject.

    Passion is the key to add something on top flickr and making photoblogging to come back.

    We never stop working, but we see as everyone left photoblogging. Our community has 522 members today, but only a few are really interested in give time to make projects.

    During the past 6 years we made a lot of exhibition, meet ups, and participative projects. But “we” are 6 people, and always working for free.

    Now a days it’s very easy to run a wordpress on your own site. (As photoblogger ant IT technician I had release open software to make more easy to build a photoblog based on YAPB plugin)

    Interviews & Features: we never do it.

    Featured images & Photographers: we run a “image of the week” http://barcelonaphotobloggers.org/category/fotografos/fotoblogs/la-foto-de-la-semana/

    Every week one member of the community choose a picture from our “photoblogging by days” section ( http://barcelonaphotobloggers.org/fotoblogueando/la-foto-de-la-semana/ )

    The winner will choose the image for the next week.

    This is make all members the opportunity to be chosen as the election is always made by a different person, and also make any winner to take a look to all others work.

    We never intended to make a living from this, as that may be the reason why we are still working but it’s also the reason that can’t let us go beyond Barcelona.

  • Fran Simó

    In the first section of my cv http://fransimo.info/cv/ you can see the projects we ran since 2006.

  • AndyNewson

    Agreed Jonathan, thanks for taking the time to comment. If we could keep up with our ‘friends’ photoblog and also have a way of seeing ‘popular’ images that would be cool.

  • AndyNewson

    Thank you so much for all of your valuable input. Andy

  • Kathleen

    Happy to see some rebellion against the content thieves!

  • neverhappen.com

    Have to admit I do miss the community, and the comments of the photoblog community. Twitter stole them, and so did G+ to some extent. I have a photoblog, have done for 7 years or so – an image a day – and like you a photoblog really got me into photography.

    Would love to see photoblogs.org reinvigorated it was good to me, hey I even received a photobloggies nomination back in ’06. That felt great and inspired me to continue.

    What has the blog gotten me though? Not a single person in all these years has bought me a beer saying wow, you’re the bloke from neverhappen.com OK, I don’t really mean that. I keep going ’cause it keeps me shooting. In a sick twisted way maintaining an image a day pace over all this time is, well, therapeutic.

    Whatever the case, I look forward to being a part of the future as I have been in the past.

  • http://dimension2.in/ dimension2

    Couldn’t have said it better. I was afraid Flickr would die a slow, agonizing death, and the new design doesn’t appear to help its case. The biggest draw on Flickr for me was not visibility of the images, or their showcasing – because, quite frankly, the design and packaging were quite dated. What took me there each time was the community, and the discussions that I gained quite a bit out of. And I don’t think the new design does the communities any justice. It’s getting harder for me to bring myself to log into Flickr each day, and while I might still use it to host my images, that might just be all.

    And now Yahoo! takes over Tumblr, and promises “not to screw up”. Hah!

    500px.com doesn’t yet have the same kind of strength of a vibrant discussion community that Flickr does, though they do have a much better visual packaging, and are attracting a growing number of photographers. 1x.com is in many ways what I would have liked Flickr to have been – a judicious use of white space, accessible images and communities, and a platform for honest image critiquing that can be so hard to build. And a much, much cleaner interface.

    I’ve been working on my own photoblog for a while now, largely because I get full creative freedom to showcase my work, with as much aesthetic sensibility as I can muster. Am looking forward to the revival of Photoblogs and hope it can help carve an alternative space for the photography community.

    Some very good tips you’ve mentioned – and a couple that I would like to add to it,

    - A photoblog showcase of sorts, that not only lists the creme-de-la-creme, but also some insights into why they make the list, on design and content sensibilties that make a good photoblog.

    - A curated list of posts on specific topics – on the design and development of photoblogs, on development and photo publishing workflows, on catering to desktop and mobile audiences.

    Good to see some action on Photoblogs.org again. Am curious about what Brandon has been brewing. Hopefully the wait won’t be too long.

  • Bob Foss

    Glad I tripped onto this discussion. forgingahead just “celebrated” its 8th anniversary, but with news from Lor and Gordon that My-Expressions is on borrowed time, I will be looking for an alternative. Like you, I found the photoblogging community engaging and supportive…always preferred it to my short-lived use of Flickr. I recall our Photobloggie weekend in Chicago in 2007 with grand pleasure and so happy that I was able to put a face and personality with the sites and comments.

    I’d love to help however I may be able to in reviving photoblogs.org

    Also as an aside, I am trying to drum up interest in organizing a meetup of current and past My-Expressions photobloggers, perhaps scheduled sometime next spring to coincide with the planned demise of that site.